Change forum to R+, discussion

[dewall]

Change forum to R+, discussion I would like to discuss the pros and cons of changing this forum to R+. I will follow later with a vote thread to see where we are at, but didn't want to get the two threads jumbled up. Let the debate ensue.

[clavette]

I'm for it. And yeah, yeah, I get the irony..

[Discover]

I don't want R+ simply because when the trolls come in I like to comment without my handle so they can't target me later forum-harassment. I also don't think we have a big problem with regs going anon to be mean. Yes there are snarky anons, but that's part of the personality of the forum. If we make it R+ people will just get multiple handles.

[grissinger]

I say no r+ I agree with flyingdogs I think we would lose some of the charm of the fo. Not all anons are jerks and not all fo members can post green.

[struss]

exactly It's an anon board anyway, grey or green doesn't matter. Most of the truly obnoxious posts are in green (at least that's how it seems to me) and I just don't see the point. I post here in green, and petfo in grey. If they went R+, I'd stop because I'm just too lazy to sign in and out. I'm sure there are people doing the same here in grey. Good posters with good points and who have just as much right as anyone here to post what they want. How hard is it to 90751 the truly offensive stuff and ignore the unpleasant?

[drozdowski]

I don't think it matters either way If the forum goes R+, those who want to be anon and still post will get new green handles to do it. It *might* discourage some of the anonymous bashing we get. I was under the impression that the mods can ban a handle even if they're posting anon, though. So I don't see what good bashing in grey does anyway. Posts get pulled either way.

[linker]

i'm for it the levels of nasty anon behavior have increased drastiy in the last year or so. it's true that people can just register extra handles, but i think that adding a layer of complexity and making it *harder* to be an asshole will be a deterrent. especially to otherwise respectful people who get something up their nose and decide to just whip out a snarky comment. and, finally, if the forum's personality is reliant on jerky remarks from people who don't want to be accountable for being jerky......well, that's a pretty sad commentary on .

[caldeira]

do you think that most of the anon posts are jerky? I have the impression that the snarky anon comments are the minority. Maybe I'm just filtering them out now...

[michell]

i'm not sure, but it doesn't matter to me for a few reasons: 1. i'm not interested in comments from handles with no history. they could be any random person of any random gender or orientation. and while it can be argued that even green posters could be anyone, which is techniy true, a far fewer number of people are going to go to the trouble to set up a whole sham personality for the purpose of posting on this forum. 2. i'd happily sacrifice non-snarky anon comments to eliminate snarky ones.

[estabrooks]

fair enough. I can understand that.

[antle]

I think the forum is reliant on those times (and it is many )that some regs do say "going anon for this" I think that those are just as valuable as the comments made in green.

[Felicdad]

let them register handles for it if it's for good, not evil, it should be worth the trouble.

[scalf]

this is true I still say no I guess I am a you gotta take the bad with the good kinda person. I don't think we have that big a problem with anons.

[mccaskey]

I'm posting green and I'm still anon. I think accountability for our own statements is not too much to ask.

[vanfleet]

how is it any more accountable (if in fact as many for r+ voters have pointed out) if you can keep registering handles. Yes the fo has had alot of nasty anon posts lately but with that there have been alot a whole lot of helpful anon responses and threads. So there is no history following them so what, they posted helpful and or thoughtfully. Be careful what you wish for.

[kouns]

You can only register 5 and there is a posting history. That is enough accountablity for me.

[gambles]

you can only register 5 to one email address I can have 100 addresses and countless others.

[kath]

I'm for it I didn't start posting in qufo until after it went R+ and although one or two people still complain,nobody else seems to mind. It's wonderful not having anon snipers there

[longobardi]

I can see both sides. I have been guilty of posting grey to ding a troll but even then it feels really dishonest to me. This is the internet, there is already anonymity and its easy enough to get extra handles. Maybe going R+ is silly then? For me it boils down to what epi said. This forum has changed "flavor" over the last year or so, and it's no where near as fun and pleasant as it used to be. I would like to see that change. For all of our bad days and snarky remarks I have grown to like several people that have simply disappeared because they just don't want to deal with the negativity, and that bums me out. This is our forum to make what we will. How do you want your corner of the internet to be? aw shit, how did that soapbox get there? misn0mer (since 2004)

[licon]

I think that explains the difference of opinion I haven't been around long enough to notice a change. I remember when I first started lurking that the comments could be a tad intimidating, but now I don't bat an eye. I like the dynamic here. If someone's being trollish I'll either them on it or ignore it. I have seen some handles be targeted and harassed by anons, but I don't think R+ would have prevented that. I've also noticed that the worst comments come from registered handles that were created specifiy for the purpose.

[samsel]

This forum was smart, literate, and full of... the absolute funniest people I had ever met(?) when I first started reading it, nearly six months before I posted my first post (rather timidly, too, I might add, because I respected the posters for their levels of intelligence, which, if you think about it, is really difficult to 'fake'). Additionally, the 'regulars' were gay women, generally, like me, and it was just a pure joy to know that I could talk to these people/women any time, any place, and have real conversations about things that mattered to us all, without taking a beat down by posters who had no real reason for being here except to antagonize 'the lesbos.' I believe anonimity has its place, but perhaps not here, not anymore, because this is a /lesbian forum and, in my opinion, if you come in here and you are not for us, you're against us. We should at least be able to distinguish those against us by reviewing their posting histories before we get caught up wasting time neg-rating/flagging the antagonistas. The tide of hatred for gays is returning to levels that I remember as a teenager and, over the next two years, it will be stirred as a hot-button issue with the ruling parties of this country, as it is now for the various religions of the world. Sorry, greys, but 'anonimity' is just not an option when our own neighbors could turn against us (and, truly, I am not being overly dramatic--people will, once again, believe it is okay to scream curse words at you, throw trash at you, and, in some cases, physiy beat you, as happened before any of that type of harassment became a crime). And, by the way, anonimity is not achieved by greyness when your internet history and possibly your keystroke history is available to anyone with access to your computer; if you are doing this at work and shouldn't, well then, catch up on your own time on your own machine--just be sure to login first. (jumping off misnxmer's soapbox) Have a lovely day, all... bullydawg

[eddington]

i wouldnt mind changing to R+ i do think the level of anon assholery would decrease if you had to go through the extra step of creating a handle just to be an asshat. if regulars need to go anon, well make another handle for your embarassing bits. i agree with epiph, in that i like to be able to read a persons history, to know what they are like etc etc. and when people argue that anyone can be green, and you still dont really know them, i say sure, of course, duh. but i still feel that if people really have something important to say, they can take the steps to register a handle in order to say it.

[xiao-lin]

one day late but, thanks.

[gina]

Not sure how I feel about this... I guess I am relatively new here, so not sure I'm qualified, but we do seem to act some anons who are truly mean - instead of just (creativley) snippy, sarcastic and curmudgeonly, which I actually like sometimes. I have to admit, I also like to see the forum enact a good, creative takedown of an asshole anon once in a while. Although it can get tiring when there are several in a single day. That said, I will admit to having gone anon once - not to be mean, but just because I was kind of embarassed to admit something. When I am being an asshat, I stay green! And I have actually enjoyed many grey postings over the months I've been here. There probably are people who are not "out" yet who like to be anonymous, but I don't find a well-chosen green handle to be that traceable. While I hate to restrict anyone's free expression, I do get tired of assholery. I'd stay if anons were banned, but would also wonder what we might miss out on.